OZONE and MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS – Brian’s Story [Transcript and Video]

An interview I conducted with Brian who reversed all his Multiple Sclerosis symptoms with ozone therapy, watch here:

TRANSCRIPT:

PAOLA: Today I’m interviewing Brian. Brian has been diagnosed with MS – Multiple Sclerosis which is basically an auto-, auto-immune condition where the myelin sheaths of the nerves are inflamed and are being attacked by by the body’s own immune system. And … hm … so we’re gonna talk about that and how Brian used ozone to get MS in check. So Brian, so you were diagnosed with MS 1.5 years ago, is that right?

BRIAN: Yeah, back in May 2013 after I had a spinal tap, a full work up of MRIs and blood work done as well. They kind of put all that together [inaudible] to [inaudible] Multiple Sclerosis. So there is not one thing that diagnoses MS, and there is a lot of other things that present like MS so sometimes it can be kind of tricky to diagnose MS. So they kind of put these puzzle pieces together to build the big picture about what’s really going on, or Multiple Sclerosis.

PAOLA: So there are different types of MS, right?

BRIAN: Yeah, yeah there is primary progressive Multiple Sclerosis, the kind I think I had where it kind of starts out and just gets worse. There is remitting recurring MS where you can have symptoms then they go away and come back then go away and come back so it’s kind of this revolving life of “you feel good, you don’t feel good”. I didn’t have that. Every single day was worse for me and a lot of times that can turn into secondary progressive Multiple Sclerosis. So anyway you look at, eventually things start getting worse and worse as far as I know and I can see it. That’s been my experience for sure.

PAOLA: So can you repeat ah … can you repeat real quick the symptoms that you had and what were … when you felt your worst – how bad was it?

BRIAN: Mostly the symptoms I had at the beginning were a little bit of tightness in my neck and upper back and a lot of fatigue. I was very very tired and both of those just got worse and worse basically every day for about 9 months and at my very worst I was pretty much on Percocet and Oxycodone and Baclofen it’s a minor muscle relaxer and pain reliever they give to people with MS. So I was on both of those pretty much every day and it didn’t help. I was just pretty much writhing in pain like just a knot. My whole body was in a knot and it hurt a lot.

PAOLA: So those drugs were they helping a little bit or not really?

BRIAN: Not really, no. They’re basically just pain relievers like the Percocet or Oxycodone. Those are just pain relievers. The Baclofen is a minor pain reliever and a little muscle relaxer and I was up about half way dosing up with that before I did the ozone and then I just quit all those drugs. Those were really the only two that I did. They don’t have any MS medication for anything progressive. So I never got a chance to get onto any of that.

PAOLA: Ok, so then you said that a year ago around May or June of 2013 you found out about hydrogen peroxide and you started drinking that in a very diluted form, is that right?

BRIAN: Yeah. I have a friend in the LHON community in Buffalo, NY Brandon Ermol, and he kind of introduced me to drinking 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide and diluted that down in distilled water and start out with 3 drops 3 times a day and moved all the way up to 25 drops 3 times a day and with that the MS went away within 48 hours; and continued to do that for about a month and by June 15th I was done with that and no MS symptoms and all of July no MS symptoms and then July 29th all the MS came back. So pretty much just got worse from there.

PAOLA: So then did you did you go back to the hydrogen peroxide or what did you do?

BRIAN: I did at first but for some reason it wasn’t agreeing with my body the same kind of way. If you don’t do it the right way, add too little water or all these different things the hydrogen peroxide can make your stomach hurt or feel really sick. So I stopped that immediately and I reached out to my naturopath who I had been working with on my vision for the last 4 years for a naturopathic physician in my area who specialized in oxidative therapy and I went and got an IV of 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide. So I just got hydrogen peroxide straight in the vein and at that time my MS was you know was killing me I was very very tired I could barely walk, you know, so I got up out the chair and I wanted to run up a mountain. It was that quick and that dramatic. And that naturopath also did ozone therapy. So he did IVs of ozone, he did rectal insufflation, ear insufflation, and he also had a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. So he was the oxidative therapy king of this area or whatever [laughs]. He had all the different therapies you could do in oxidative therapy and stuff so for the UVBI didn’t do any of that but I did an IV of the hydrogen peroxide and ozone and he finally got me to do the rectal insufflation ozone therapy and just being the young guy that wasn’t something I wanted to do so it took me a couple hundred dollars before I broke down spinning and running on other therapies, IVs and stuff like that so I didn’t have to do the rectal insufflation and when I finally did it was less than half the cost and worked 3 times as well. So I did that for August this year, September this year, last year I’m sorry excuse me, August, September, and in October I just kind of ran out of money and ability to get to his office … and from October 2013 to March 2014 my life kind of ended. It was all about MS. Trying to live with my symptoms. And I had to quit working in October and basically didn’t do anything until March 23rd. After I had my own ozone equipment and did my own ozone treatments on my schedule as much as I wanted and I’ve had zero zero MS symptoms since March 23rd, 2014.

PAOLA: So tell me about that first set the first equipment that you had because from what I understand it wasn’t really meant for medical purposes it was just some … for air purification, yes?

BRIAN: Air purification, water purification stuff like that so I bought an ambient air ozone generator. It just uses air from the room and creates the ozone that way and they sell that on amazon for $300 and that’s what I had and I knew that the ozone or hydrogen peroxide oxidative therapy just made my MS go away. So it was highly important that I get it, I needed it. And i didn’t buy the right equipment. So March 23rd I stuck that tube in my ear to kind of do ear insufflation uhm and what basically that machine that’s not the right stuff and the sticking the tube in my ear which is not necessarily the right thing – I was fine. Like 45 min later, it might have been up to an hour later, but I got up and I could just walk. At that point I couldn’t move without a cane or walker, so my walking was incredibly bad. I had to lean on everything, I couldn’t stand for more than a minute, if I could stand for a minute just stand in one place. So that machine was something I could afford at that time and I kind of needed to prove to people in my life that ozone was gonna save my life or at least help me for now; and they saw that it would and it did and I got a little bit of help getting the right medical equipment; so now I have all the right stuff and been doing the right treatments with the right equipment for about 7 months now and I’ve been MS free since.

PAOLA: So so the first machine that you bought you knew that it wasn’t really the right medical equipment but that was all that you could afford at that time and you just gave it a shot with the best you could do?

BRIAN: Yeah, Yeah the thing is if you gonna use it for like a medical purpose in my mind I would say ozonate water that’s mostly it, ozonated water. But yeah it was basically to prove to myself and others in my life that the ozone was gonna do something because if it was in the past but then a couple of months had gone by like 5 months had gone by and I hadn’t done anything I had just gotten worse and worse and then March 23rd I did the treatment in the ear with the wrong kind of machine and it still worked, magically! So then I got contacted by you actually about the ozone group on Facebook and talked to everybody all the peers in the ozone group and everything and found out the right equipment and took all the steps I needed and got an oxygen concentrator and a synergylabs WPS-100 ozone generator [the correct name is “synergy systems” at synergyozone.com]. So now I’ve been doing the right treatments with the right equipment, so it’s steps I’ve taken but …

PAOLA: So how long has it been now since you since you had the right medical machines?

BRIAN: About 6.5 months so it’s only 2 or maybe 3 weeks after I did the first treatments with the wrong machine and March 23rd 2013, 2014 excuse me, uh the last year has been a blur, so it’s been 7 months with absolutely no MS. No fatigue, no tiredness, no spasticity. One thing felt like I needed to crack my neck all the time, it was just all cinched up and it hurt – I haven’t felt like that for about 6 months at least. All kinds of things that like your body feels loose and good and you have energy, so it’s been 6 months with the right equipment.

PAOLA: So tell me again what applications did you do with the with the right medical machine, the synergy, let’s call it the synergy. So you say it was rectal insufflations and ear insufflations, is that right?

BRIAN: Uhm yeah, the ear insufflation I didn’t do very much of it. I probably only done that about 8 times in the last 7 months so it might be something I’ll do once or twice a month maybe. And the rectal insufflation when I started out back in March, June, July into this last summer I was doing maybe 2 insufflations, rectal insufflation, a day. In between 10 and 15 a week, somewhere around there. But now I’ve only done 4 treatments, rectal insufflation treatment in the month of October [2014], and I’ve done 2 ear insufflations, just cause it was quicker and easier and it fit into what I was doing. But those are really the only 2 treatments I’ve done and it’s mainly the rectal insufflations I’ve done that on average probably 5 to 10 times over the last 3 months. So, I’ve only done it maybe 15 times since maybe mid August, so …

PAOLA: So, how quickly after doing ozone, how quickly after doing an application either the rectal insufflation or the ear insufflation do you notice positive results?

BRIAN: Uhm, well with the MS I’d say at least 80% gone symptom wise within an hour. So it was I’m bed ridden for the most part … I use that term a little loosely but you know I could move from my bed to the couch or to the chair things like that but being a normal human being wasn’t possible. So I went from that with the wrong machine I stuck in my ear for about a minute and that was coming out of it like 5 liters per minute so it’s definitely the wrong thing to do, but within an hour I was running up and down the stairs; so it’s a huge huge huge difference. And uh … I don’t know [laughs] … it was pretty quick.

PAOLA: So, ok ok, you said that you mostly do rectal insufflations now and very very little ear insufflations if any at all, uhm now how long how long does one ozone application last? Like after what time do you start sensing symptoms coming back so that you have to go back and do another application?

BRIAN: Well, it’s not like that anymore. Like I said I do about this month I’ve done 4 insufflations so once a week … uhm … at the beginning I could notice the MS symptoms coming back now I cannot. If I stop doing ozone I don’t know if the MS would come back but I’ve slowed way way down and it hasn’t. Uhm when I first started I was doing it twice a day because if I didn’t do it at least every 3 days I could tell the MS was coming back and I could feel most of the like tightness and fatigue, spasticity I guess. So it would it would be about 3 days or so. When I was seeing a naturopath last year he’s only open twice a week so that was pretty difficult but it was like a rollercoaster “I feel really really good and then I’d fall down and I’d see him again and I feel really good” and it went on like that for about 2 months in September and October of 2013 and I just don’t notice that anymore. It’s like the MS is 100% completely gone. But I can’t prove that [laughs]. So I continue to do the ozone therapy but it’s not anything I have to do. I haven’t stopped for like 3 months or 6 months and seen what happens but why would I do that? I feel good, MS is gone, I have all the equipment I need you know so I would keep up the treatment and hey if MS never comes back then I’m happy with that [laughs].

PAOLA: Now did you have any negative reactions to ozone?

BRIAN: Only the ear insufflation. Uhm … I at first … I have an earscope so it’s like a stethoscope that air goes through and into your ears and at first I had my oxygen concentrator turned up too high at about 1.5 LPM and the outside of my ears like not the inner ear but just inside  got like really really cracky and gross and pussy it wasn’t coming from the inside my ear it was like the outer ear was like drying up cracking and not necessarily bleeding but just being gross. So I bought a humidifier and hooked that into there and it helped a little bit but that’s really the main reason why I don’t do ear insufflations so much maybe once or twice a month because when I go more than once or twice a week my ears start to get really cracky and gross and I don’t like that [laughs]. So …

PAOLA: Ok, now if you go back and look back at the worst time when your MS symptoms were at the worst and if you would have to say on a scale from 0 to 10 where let’s say 10 would be like you know absolutely the worst point where you were and 0 would be no symptoms and you were feeling great, so at the worst time on a scale from 0 to 10 where would you say were you?

BRIAN: Uhm … back in March 22nd was the last day that I felt bad cause of MS and I would say that was a 15 not a 10.

PAOLA: [laughs] Wow, ok.

BRIAN: I couldn’t even get out of bed. It was really really hard to get out of bed and I kept my cane in the side rail along the bed so I could reach down and get my cane and help myself out of the bed. And by March 27th I felt like a negative 15. Fantastic. And I’ve felt that way ever since. So it didn’t go from a 10 to a 0 it went from a +15 to a -15. Such huge HUGE difference. It’s really really insane how much oxygen has saved my life. [laughs] It … that’s the only way I can put it that it’s ozone saved my life. And it’s nothing else I can say about it.

PAOLA: That’s pretty remarkable. So have you, so so basically ozone and hydrogen peroxide those are the only things that you tried for MS, yes?

BRIAN: Yeah, yeah. Besides pain pills like the Percacet that I was on. I don’t like any prescription medication just because it’s not natural in any kind of way some man made lab stuff that I’m not necessarily 100% against prescriptions but there better be a good reason I’m gonna take one and I better know something about it so I educate myself and be informed and a part of what’s happening with why I’m gonna be on a prescription. So I mean just simple pain pills that’s a lot less but back in March when I first tried all this ozone stuff when I had the wrong machine about 2, 3 days later I went and saw my MS specialist my neurologist and was showing him how good I feel because he saw me like take 15 minutes to get down the hallway the last time I went and saw him and then this time I was just walking normal no cane I could do push-ups like I felt really good, so he was at that point trying to convince me to try Tysabri an MS medication. And his reasoning was that what I’m doing – the ozone – can’t stop the progression of MS. And that’s just a guess on his part and he said that the Tysabri the MS medication might help stop the progression which is just a guess on his part. When it comes to my MS I have never been told what I have. Do I have remitting recurring, do I have primary progressive, do I have secondary progressive? I going telling them I have primary progressive Multiple Sclerosis because that’s how I feel that’s the research I’ve done, uhm you know there is lot of things on my end that I went into that. And they kind of do that [nods repeatedly] they just shake their head in agreement but they don’t say anything. And I’m blind so I kind of have to pick up on that which is harder for me so really they say absolutely nothing except for the fact that they keep challenging that this might be remitting recurring MS as [inaudible] it happens it goes away [inaudible], so …

PAOLA: So have you seen that doctor since?

BRIAN: Uhm yeah I went and had another set of MRIs: brain, thoracic, and the spine on September 22nd and that’s 6 months after doing ozone so I had no symptoms for 6 months and then I went and had another set of MRIs and those MRIs show that there are no new lesions that are no active lesions, or enhancing lesions that’s what technically we would be calling them but active I guess you can say, and there is no MS symptoms. My doctor he “push, pull, squeeze the hands, stand on one foot” you know all the different little MS stuff that you would do with your doctor, he can’t tell that I have MS anymore. And my images show all the lesions that I did have which is pretty extensive, the whole back of my head is covered in lesions, so much that it formed like a lake. I had two new ones up on the front of my brain on the last set that I had. So every set of MRIs I’ve had showed more lesions, more damage, everything just more and worse for the last year and a half and then just last month in September no new lesions, no active lesions, my doctor can’t tell I have any MS symptoms, no spasticity, none of that, and I feel amazing! [laughs]. So MS completely gone. I did stop the progression because there is no new lesions and I spent less than a thousand dollars on this stuff, and I have catheters for like a year, I have lubrication I have everything I gonna need for a year for less than a thousand dollars. I spent more than that just on co-insurance and co-pays in the last year and absolutely nothing was done for me. He argued with me [laughs].

PAOLA: Now have you ever asked your doctors why why they think you started having MS to begin with?

BRIAN: Well, I have another disease, well another the same disease with stuff added onto it and it’s called a new name, the LHON, the Leber Hereditary Optic Neuropathy, what made me go blind 10 years ago, when I …

PAOLA: So, I I’m sorry, your friend who introduced you to hydrogen peroxide he had the same thing, yes?

BRIAN: Yeah, yeah, and I met him through a Facebook group about LHON, so …

PAOLA: And so he, so he, so he … got his, I’m sorry, there is something going on here in the background, he got his the … his condition of the neuropathy of the optic nerve, he got that in check with hydrogen peroxide is that right?

BRIAN: Yeah, yeah, that’s why I’m here [laughs]. So I haven’t had any vision improvements with the hydrogen peroxide therapy that I’ve done and the extent of ozone therapy that I’ve done. The oxidative therapy has not helped my vision but that’s ok, I’m not dead. [laughs]. That was the path. It was who cares about being blind I’m dying. It was that serious cause my whole body was shutting down. I was, the only way I can describe what was happening to me is “I’m slowly dying”. And there not really anybody in the medical field who can argue with that because they know what happens to people who have progressive MS whether it’s primary or secondary. You can have remitting recurring MS for like 40 years and eventually when you’re older it turns into progressive MS until you’re dead things get worse. In my last appointment on September, October 1st at the very beginning of this month I went to the doctor to go over those MRIs that I had September 22nd and found out that, this is a little [inaudible] my mom had actually told my step dad that she didn’t think I’d be alive by the end of this year that I might die within the next 3 months, that’s how bad it was.

PAOLA: Wow.

BRIAN: Back in March that’s how she felt that I wouldn’t make it another 9 months. That’s the only way I can explain is I was dying. I don’t know how else to explain it. My body was shutting down, my mind was shutting down, I couldn’t talk right, you know there is so many things my memory is terrible, just stacking on top of each other. That’s the only way I can explain it my body was doing and not anymore! Thanks to ozone. [laughs]

PAOLA: Right [laughs]. Brian, have you ever looked into mercury and the connection between mercury and multiple sclerosis?

BRIAN: No, I haven’t.

PAOLA: There is something I wanted to ask you: Have you ever had mercury fillings in your teeth?

BRIAN: No, no I haven’t had mercury anything except for what would be in like a vaccine or the flu shot or something like that. So that would be the only way that I would take mercury into my body unless you know it’s in the environment somewhere and it’s something I don’t know about.

PAOLA: Right. So but you are you’re not totally blind or are you legally blind or you can see a little bit, yes?

BRIAN: Yeah, I’m a … my right eye which is my good is 2300, which is legally blind, 2200 means you’re legally blind, and my right eye is 2700. So this eye before I started all of my … before MS even came into my life I took over 15,000 Vitamins to try to get my vision back and changed my whole life. I stopped smoking cigarettes it’s like everything. It was insane the amount of stuff that I’ve done to try and get my vision back and LHON is another one of those diseases where there is no treatment, no cure, there is nothing they can do for you. So I did the research and came up with my own kinda Vitamin cocktail and took that for about 3 years. There was no MS nothing until about a year and a half ago and uh … I don’t know. So the MS came out of nowhere, really.

PAOLA: Ok, are you saying that the Vitamins might have something to do with the MS or – I’m not quite sure I understood.

BRIAN: The vision, gaining vision back so that’s something I have been doing for the last couple years is trying to gain vision back from the vision loss of LHON through Vitamin therapy. I took I said like 15,000 Vitamins over 3.5 years 3 years, so that was something that I was doing for a couple of years and then the MS came. So it pretty much shut my life down when I was diagnosed with MS.

PAOLA: Ok, but you’re not saying that the Vitamins might have something to do with the MS coming on, that’s not what you wanted to say?

BRIAN: No. That’s not what I’m saying. No.

PAOLA: Right. So we don’t know, the doctors don’t know like we don’t know how the MS came on, but …

BRIAN: Well, I have LHON, and there is also another more drastic disease called LHON Plus. LHON Plus is you might have vision loss or you might be a carrier those are the two things with LHON, you can either carry the genetic mutation or you can actually carry it and then go blind from it but LHON and MS is something called LHON Plus. So this is a new disease I guess, it’s the same thing but it’s like bigger and broader. There could be many many different types of things that would be going on on top of the blindness or LHON. So I basically I don’t know I won the lottery of diseases [laughs] … yeah

PAOLA: Well this is, this is really an absolutely remarkable story and uh … so is there anything else you would like to tell people who suffer from MS?

BRIAN: Find yourself a naturopathic physician or naturopathic doctor, an oxidative therapist whatever they’re called where you at and go see them, go see them quickly. I wanna set up a booth with all my equipment there at like the Walk MS and all the different events for MS and stuff and just let people try it for free because it’s not necessarily gonna hurt them, there is no real side effects from ozone if you’re not a dummy, you have common sense and you do it the right way, at the right amount at the right time – no side effects that I know of. You can have side effects if you do it badly or wrong so I wanna just stand at a place where there is hundreds of people with MS and just scream about this stuff it’s that important to me. But that won’t happen [laughs]. Especially here in America. So that couldn’t that couldn’t happen but I ran into a couple of people in my personal life who have been diagnosed with MS. They’re going through the diagnosis, they’re experiencing symptoms and a lot of them have reached out to me to inquire about the ozone therapy and they check out my machinary and all that kind of stuff. I would say find somebody who can give you oxygen. It’s that important. If I might may in all of my research – and research is one of the things I love to do most – MS might not necessarily be an auto-immune disease. I kinda put it like this: if you’re gonna see a PhD, a doctor in a hospital, white coat, they’re more than likely gonna tell you: MS is an auto-immune disease like we kinda started this call. If you go see a naturopathic physician, or a naturopathic doctor an ND, they might say MS is caused by a virus and go even further than that if you gonna see a naturopath who has a lot of experience and knowledge of LHON, especially LHON Plus they might say MS is caused by a virus in you as well as a genetic pre-determined condition that MS is going to happen. So it could be really really evolved and the main point is “nobody knows”. There is no one who is 100% A-Z about MS. That really frustrated me while I was dying slowly. The doctors they just yeah agreed with everything I said like symptom wise and stuff like “yeah, ok, cool your legs hurt” there was nothing done for it. So MS might be a virus and if MS is caused by a virus or at least in part by a virus there is no wonder ozone just fixed it. And I try to say: this is one of 3 things: this is either magic that made my MS go away, this is a treatment for MS, or this is a cure for MS and I don’t care which of those 3 it is. It could be any one. It could not even be on that list of 3. I don’t care because I feel good. And that’s what was really important because as you said how do you feel 0 to 10 I said 15, I felt really really bad I was dying more and more every day – not anymore. It’s completely gone. I have no MS symptoms and my brain doesn’t look any worse at all. There is nothing going on. So oxygen. The hydrogen peroxide that I drank was from Guardian of Eden and it was called Jutrian Rx and I bought the blue Jutrian Rx Blue. And that cost me $87. So for $87 the first time I got rid of MS for about 2 months, drinking the oxygen basically. And doing rectal insufflation ozone therapy for the equipment and what I needed to do that was about $800. So for that a year’s worth of MS being gone you can’t find better money for like care anywhere on the whole planet that I know of. So if you have MS it’s it’s really important that you check it out because it’s not something that is going to hurt you and it might be something that could make your symptoms just melt away in minutes. Again: magic, treatment, or cure – don’t care. Cause I feel good. And that’s really what’s important because you watch videos on youtube of people with MS of any variety – they don’t feel good and they’re not happy. It’s not a good thing and it’s really depressing when you don’t feel good and you’re not happy and you watch other people and next month is gonna be worse and I’m gonna be less happy and 3 months from now, 6 months from now, like every way you look at it is really really bleak. So to do something like this oxidative therapy or ozone and just have the whole world change within an hour or minutes it’s incredible. So I definitely recommend ozone therapy to most anybody who has any kind of ailment. Does your back hurt? Do ozone [laughs]. My mom has a problem with the sciatic nerve she does ozone therapy, she does ear insuflation only and it helps her she does it like every 3 days and she’s she’s a lot better. I wouldn’t say it’s fixed anything but she feels better. My stepdad has a lot of problems in his back and I bought him a ozone sauna bag so he’s gonna start doing that and he does ozone ear insufflation and stuff as well so pretty much my whole family has gone on the ozone train.

PAOLA: Great. Look I’m I’m starting to hear some baby noises in the background, I think your nephew is uh is up in action [laughs]. Well Brian thank you once again, you know it’s just all we can do is one interview at a time and hopefully at least one person will watch it and at least one person will take away something from it. That’s really all one can wish for. Uhm yeah, just just put it out there and so yeah thank you very much for doing this and …

BRIAN: Yeah, absolutely.

PAOLA: … we’ll stay in touch.

BRIAN: Can I ask you to post a link to my video? The one that I just posted “How I beat Multiple Sclerosis on youtube”?

PAOLA: Absolutely.

BRIAN: [inaudible] description or something just kinda share, get more information out there.

PAOLA: You mean the one that you posted first on the “ozone to health” Facebook group?

BRIAN: Yeah. Just like uh 2 weeks ago?

PAOLA: The one with the workout in the beginning?

BRIAN: Yeah.

PAOLA: Alright. Yeah, sure.

BRIAN: Awesome.

PAOLA: OK, one more thing I just wanted to add: what you described what happened to your ears those crusts and those kind of things, this is really a very typical die-off reaction. And so the theory goes that as long as ozone is killing something off or oxidizing something your body will basically will try to get rid of it and so it’s uh it can show up as like those crusts or liquid that is coming out of your ears and that can turn into a crust or the ear can also become inflamed temporarily. So this is a very very typical die-off reaction after doing ear insufflations and it can become extremely painful and there really, other than the pain there is no damage that can happen except if the flow of the oxygen is too high then one can blow one’s ear drum, that can happen. That’s why it’s important to do it at a lower flow.

BRIAN: Right. It’s a little less than at a 1/4 of a liter per minute right now. [inaudible]

PAOLA: Yeah the… there are also tricks. You know the first ozone machine that I had the lowest setting that I could use it at was ½ liter per minute. And I was still doing ear insufflations with that pretty high flow. But so what I was doing, I was keeping the stethoscope the whole time with my with my hands and just making sure that there was like a tiny little outlet for the excess oxygen-ozone mixture to escape, you know. So there would be no pressure building up. So that’s what I did. But yeah I just wanted to tell people that yeah that that can happen with ear insufflations but there, it’s actually a healing crisis. So it is a good thing but it can get very very uncomfortable, uhm … so yeah that’s just you know some information about the ear insufflations. Alright, so …

BRIAN: The machine I had at first wasn’t the right machine because it was coming out 5 to 7 liters so I mean …. [laughs]

PAOLA: Yeah, I mean you’re really lucky that nothing … that you didn’t blow anything!

BRIAN: [inaudible] only one time … So that was one time and then I got like send that back and got the right equipment, so … everything’s working fine.

PAOLA: Alright, great. Alright, so let’s stay in touch and uhm and thanks again.

BRIAN: Awesome. Thank you, Pola. I appreciate it.

PAOLA: You’re welcome.

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